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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-19547</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read your blog and all the comments and I have to say that I am surprised (not in a bad way) by how candid you all are!

As a former Other Woman, I can tell you that both men and women cheat for all the reasons you mention above and then others they come up with on their own.  I've always felt that women do hold women to a harsher standard and we have a tendency to judge each other more acutely than men.  It is almost like we do, in fact, expect it from them and can't really blame them for being men.

I don't know if you will delete this, but I can tell you that I NEVER tried to break up a happy home.  I knew from the beginning that he was married and had children.  I never called his home or even knew the number. I never called his mobile unless I was returning a call and I absolutely knew he was alone.  When he would try to tell me he was in an unhappy marriage, I would stop him and tell him that there was no need to lie.  He never spent a single night away from his home and we never had any dramatic tipping point (i.e. discovery, ultimatums, fake or real pregnancies, etc.).

He filed for his divorce two months after we met.   He and his wife were partners in a medical practice and not only did she take half of all of their community property, she also enforced a "no-compete" clause that prevented him from working in the area for three years.  A year after his divorce, we were married and we have remained so for 9 years.  We lived off of my income and (half of) his savings for those initial three years.

His ex-wife to this day does not know that he was unfaithful, nor do his children or anyone in his family (parents or siblings).  However, I have never attempted to forge any friendship with her because I would always feel ackward confiding in her or having her confide in me.

Do I regret it?  NO!  I love him and our children.
Do I trust him?  YES! He never lied to me, I knew from the beginning.
Do I wonder if he cheats on me?  NEVER!  I trust him implicitly.  I always have.  I would never have married him if I didn't.

As far as GREY's-I think George and Izzie should keep their mouths shut.  Why hurt an innocent woman to wash themselves of their guilt?  They are the ones that need to live with the outcome of their actions.

Anyhow-I can tell you are a close-knit group of friends.  It is not my intent to offend anyone here.  I read this blog and I was engrossed by the banter and the stories and wanted to share mine with you.  I only wanted to point out that all stories are different and not every Other Woman wants to wreak destruction and chaos upon unsuspecting wifes and families.  Sometimes, we really can't help who we fall in love with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read your blog and all the comments and I have to say that I am surprised (not in a bad way) by how candid you all are!</p>
<p>As a former Other Woman, I can tell you that both men and women cheat for all the reasons you mention above and then others they come up with on their own.  I&#8217;ve always felt that women do hold women to a harsher standard and we have a tendency to judge each other more acutely than men.  It is almost like we do, in fact, expect it from them and can&#8217;t really blame them for being men.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you will delete this, but I can tell you that I NEVER tried to break up a happy home.  I knew from the beginning that he was married and had children.  I never called his home or even knew the number. I never called his mobile unless I was returning a call and I absolutely knew he was alone.  When he would try to tell me he was in an unhappy marriage, I would stop him and tell him that there was no need to lie.  He never spent a single night away from his home and we never had any dramatic tipping point (i.e. discovery, ultimatums, fake or real pregnancies, etc.).</p>
<p>He filed for his divorce two months after we met.   He and his wife were partners in a medical practice and not only did she take half of all of their community property, she also enforced a &#8220;no-compete&#8221; clause that prevented him from working in the area for three years.  A year after his divorce, we were married and we have remained so for 9 years.  We lived off of my income and (half of) his savings for those initial three years.</p>
<p>His ex-wife to this day does not know that he was unfaithful, nor do his children or anyone in his family (parents or siblings).  However, I have never attempted to forge any friendship with her because I would always feel ackward confiding in her or having her confide in me.</p>
<p>Do I regret it?  NO!  I love him and our children.<br />
Do I trust him?  YES! He never lied to me, I knew from the beginning.<br />
Do I wonder if he cheats on me?  NEVER!  I trust him implicitly.  I always have.  I would never have married him if I didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As far as GREY&#8217;s-I think George and Izzie should keep their mouths shut.  Why hurt an innocent woman to wash themselves of their guilt?  They are the ones that need to live with the outcome of their actions.</p>
<p>Anyhow-I can tell you are a close-knit group of friends.  It is not my intent to offend anyone here.  I read this blog and I was engrossed by the banter and the stories and wanted to share mine with you.  I only wanted to point out that all stories are different and not every Other Woman wants to wreak destruction and chaos upon unsuspecting wifes and families.  Sometimes, we really can&#8217;t help who we fall in love with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-15741</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't stand Izzy this season. Just can't stand her, and she used to be my favorite. George is being a butthead, too, though. I didn't like Callie last season and love her this season. I HATE that Izzy slept with George. HATE it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand Izzy this season. Just can&#8217;t stand her, and she used to be my favorite. George is being a butthead, too, though. I didn&#8217;t like Callie last season and love her this season. I HATE that Izzy slept with George. HATE it.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14148</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Lynn, there's definitely karma at play with that guy! And, hopefully, with the women he cheats with!

Wow, this has been such a great day of conversation! I know we usually keep things a bit lighter on here, and it wasn't my intention to get all deep and controversial, but I'm so glad we got to talk and even got to know a little more about each other! So thanks to everyone who chatted!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Lynn, there&#8217;s definitely karma at play with that guy! And, hopefully, with the women he cheats with!</p>
<p>Wow, this has been such a great day of conversation! I know we usually keep things a bit lighter on here, and it wasn&#8217;t my intention to get all deep and controversial, but I&#8217;m so glad we got to talk and even got to know a little more about each other! So thanks to everyone who chatted!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Matherly</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14146</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Matherly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  This is one HOT topic.  

My ex was a cheat.  It's really sad when you know it (on many different levels many different times), but don't have proof, and they tell you that it's all your imagination...  Anyway, I finally dumped the loser, the only good things I ever got from him are my precious kiddo's.  Proof came when I found phone calls on my phone bill - after I had already filed for divorce.  Turns out this girl KNEW he was married, WORKED with him, and then decided she didn't want him when she found out we were getting divorced.  :cry: :happy2:   She moved on to her next married pray I heard.  Served him right.  (Oh, I don't sound bitter do I???)  Really, I'm over it now and just slap myself upside the head for being stupid for so long.  Point being here is that he was looking and she was too.  The fact she knew he was married made it worse for me.  Absolutely no remorse what so ever about it.

However, since our divorce, 13 years ago, he has been married twice.  The second wife told him she was gay, and moved in with her girlfriend (He drove her to another gender!).  Less than 2 months after the divorce was final, she was no longer gay...

The third wife (the infant child 16 years younger) he "had" to marry because he doesn't know enough to use protection - the dimwit! :wtf: Guess how long that one lasted?  

To this day, he doesn't ever think any of his relationship woes are his fault.  :violin:  I see a pattern, call me crazy.  :devil:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  This is one HOT topic.  </p>
<p>My ex was a cheat.  It&#8217;s really sad when you know it (on many different levels many different times), but don&#8217;t have proof, and they tell you that it&#8217;s all your imagination&#8230;  Anyway, I finally dumped the loser, the only good things I ever got from him are my precious kiddo&#8217;s.  Proof came when I found phone calls on my phone bill - after I had already filed for divorce.  Turns out this girl KNEW he was married, WORKED with him, and then decided she didn&#8217;t want him when she found out we were getting divorced.  :cry: <img src="http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_happy2.gif" class="wp-smiley" />   She moved on to her next married pray I heard.  Served him right.  (Oh, I don&#8217;t sound bitter do I???)  Really, I&#8217;m over it now and just slap myself upside the head for being stupid for so long.  Point being here is that he was looking and she was too.  The fact she knew he was married made it worse for me.  Absolutely no remorse what so ever about it.</p>
<p>However, since our divorce, 13 years ago, he has been married twice.  The second wife told him she was gay, and moved in with her girlfriend (He drove her to another gender!).  Less than 2 months after the divorce was final, she was no longer gay&#8230;</p>
<p>The third wife (the infant child 16 years younger) he &#8220;had&#8221; to marry because he doesn&#8217;t know enough to use protection - the dimwit! <img src="http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wtf.gif" class="wp-smiley" /> Guess how long that one lasted?  </p>
<p>To this day, he doesn&#8217;t ever think any of his relationship woes are his fault.  <img src="http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_violin.gif" class="wp-smiley" />  I see a pattern, call me crazy.  <img src="http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_devil.gif" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Tina Martinesi</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14145</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Martinesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh God 8 years is a long time to feel that kind of pain. I have to say that Thank God my sister found someone who makes her happy, they are now married and have a beautiful daughter, and the ex is still alone, as he should be! Yeah Karma!:party:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh God 8 years is a long time to feel that kind of pain. I have to say that Thank God my sister found someone who makes her happy, they are now married and have a beautiful daughter, and the ex is still alone, as he should be! Yeah Karma!<img src="http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/multiplespotting.gif" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Jodie</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14144</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Tina, what a remarkable comeback from your son! I overhear my nephew say things to my son now that I know my SIL is clueless about. He recognizes that she somewhat uses him to try to hurt her ex - I don't think she realizes she's doing it, I think she's just too caught up in her own stuff 8 years later that she doesn't think about what she's really doing to her son. But the son sees it! :wallbash:

Kelly F. - I had a similar experience. I knew I was making a huge mistake the first time I got married I just didn't know how to stop it. The night before I cried and cried. My Mom even said, "You know, you don't have to do this" but I kept telling myself it was just nerves. What an idiot I was! 

I remember when I got as far as standing next to him that I was sure someone would stop it when it came time for objections. Because, like you, everyone knew it was a mistake, but noone saved me. But, I did get a wonderful son that I absolutely adore out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Tina, what a remarkable comeback from your son! I overhear my nephew say things to my son now that I know my SIL is clueless about. He recognizes that she somewhat uses him to try to hurt her ex - I don&#8217;t think she realizes she&#8217;s doing it, I think she&#8217;s just too caught up in her own stuff 8 years later that she doesn&#8217;t think about what she&#8217;s really doing to her son. But the son sees it! <img src="http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wallbash.gif" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Kelly F. - I had a similar experience. I knew I was making a huge mistake the first time I got married I just didn&#8217;t know how to stop it. The night before I cried and cried. My Mom even said, &#8220;You know, you don&#8217;t have to do this&#8221; but I kept telling myself it was just nerves. What an idiot I was! </p>
<p>I remember when I got as far as standing next to him that I was sure someone would stop it when it came time for objections. Because, like you, everyone knew it was a mistake, but noone saved me. But, I did get a wonderful son that I absolutely adore out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Martinesi</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14143</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Martinesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jodie, I would bet your nephew already has a pretty good idea what went on. Adults try so hard to protect them from the ugliness, but the truth is they hear and see alot more than you think. I'll never forget when my sister went through her crap, my nephew who was around 6 or 7 at the time, was at my house and I overheard him talking to my son, and telling him that daddy did a really bad thing to mommy and that he wasn't going to be living with them any more. I just cried when my son replied, "i know that must make you really sad, but you know your mom and dad both love you, so try not to worry about them, they'll be ok"
Kids are just amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodie, I would bet your nephew already has a pretty good idea what went on. Adults try so hard to protect them from the ugliness, but the truth is they hear and see alot more than you think. I&#8217;ll never forget when my sister went through her crap, my nephew who was around 6 or 7 at the time, was at my house and I overheard him talking to my son, and telling him that daddy did a really bad thing to mommy and that he wasn&#8217;t going to be living with them any more. I just cried when my son replied, &#8220;i know that must make you really sad, but you know your mom and dad both love you, so try not to worry about them, they&#8217;ll be ok&#8221;<br />
Kids are just amazing!</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly F.</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14142</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ev, something tells me neither of us would sit back and endure something like that again.  If nothing else it taught me to speak up or at least act on ym instinct when I KNOW something isn't right.  Ya know, my parents told me after the fact that they heard from one of my sisters and a bridesmaid about the phone call the night before the wedding and told me they wished I had gone too! LMAO!  And then even went as far to tell me they were all taking bets at the reception as too how long it would last.  :wallbash: Live and Learn I say.  My dad was in the Rolls Royce on the way to the church telling me, "Why don't we just go to the reception hall and lock the doors and get drunk."  :cocktail:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ev, something tells me neither of us would sit back and endure something like that again.  If nothing else it taught me to speak up or at least act on ym instinct when I KNOW something isn&#8217;t right.  Ya know, my parents told me after the fact that they heard from one of my sisters and a bridesmaid about the phone call the night before the wedding and told me they wished I had gone too! LMAO!  And then even went as far to tell me they were all taking bets at the reception as too how long it would last.  <img src="http://www.plotmonkeys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wallbash.gif" class="wp-smiley" /> Live and Learn I say.  My dad was in the Rolls Royce on the way to the church telling me, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t we just go to the reception hall and lock the doors and get drunk.&#8221;  :cocktail:</p>
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		<title>By: Jodie</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14140</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, she's definitely stuck, but she made out great financially. She got him to sign seperation papers right after she "caught him" and he was feeling really guilty and he gave her everything! The house, the boat, the cars, the stocks, everything! He left with absolutely nothing financially.

And he was such a shmuck! She should have been elated!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, she&#8217;s definitely stuck, but she made out great financially. She got him to sign seperation papers right after she &#8220;caught him&#8221; and he was feeling really guilty and he gave her everything! The house, the boat, the cars, the stocks, everything! He left with absolutely nothing financially.</p>
<p>And he was such a shmuck! She should have been elated!!</p>
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		<title>By: katie</title>
		<link>http://www.plotmonkeys.com/383/cheaters-never-win/#comment-14141</link>
		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ev, are you sure she wasn't living in the basement rent free?  No one knew she was there.  I so need a life.  

I was curious what the writers think of the writing on "Grey's"? do you think it has gone down hill?  I think so.  They just seem to do one thing and then, poof, off to something else or everyone is cured (for example, would Meredith really be back at work three days after her near death, would all of those injured people on the ferry, just disappear?).  It's fine if they want to focus on something else, just mention 'oh, well, we're overloaded because of all of the ferry injuries".  I do realize that this is TV, but that was a MAJOR disaster!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ev, are you sure she wasn&#8217;t living in the basement rent free?  No one knew she was there.  I so need a life.  </p>
<p>I was curious what the writers think of the writing on &#8220;Grey&#8217;s&#8221;? do you think it has gone down hill?  I think so.  They just seem to do one thing and then, poof, off to something else or everyone is cured (for example, would Meredith really be back at work three days after her near death, would all of those injured people on the ferry, just disappear?).  It&#8217;s fine if they want to focus on something else, just mention &#8216;oh, well, we&#8217;re overloaded because of all of the ferry injuries&#8221;.  I do realize that this is TV, but that was a MAJOR disaster!</p>
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